Through out the 30 years I have been a clock repairman, I have worked on several "Plymouth" clocks. Many times the customer will feel that this is a rare clock as they cannot find any information on the company.
The Plymouth Clock Company was actually formed in the early 1930's as a work around for the Seth Thomas Clock Company to dump low cost clocks on an already depressed market. Seth Thomas insisted all of their dealers adhere to strict selling and pricing agreements to protect their market shares. This agreement worked well for Seth Thomas, but boxed their dealers into a tight area not allowing for discounts on pricing to move more clocks. The Seth Thomas Company took advantage of these agreements by crafting a line of clocks that undersold their main line of clocks by a 30-40% price margin. The Plymouth Company used the workhorse #89 clock movement that had the front and back plates modified to use 30% less brass as well as a less expensive and harsher sounding striking bell and/or rod. The majority of the cases produced by the Plymouth Clock Company were tambour construction mantle clocks with inexpensive, low quality wood cases that had minimal ornamentation and printed appliques that were to mimic inlaid veneer work. One banjo style clock was also offered.
This less than above board marketing and manufacturing arrangement worked well for the Seth Thomas Company until the late 1930's when the Seth Thomas family sold their interest in the clock company to the General Time Company, at which time the old #89 movements were put in anything that could be sold. After the entire stock of these movement were exhausted, General Time began installing whatever movement they could obtain cheaply into these clocks. The Plymouth Clock Company ceased operations at the outbreak of World War II.
The remaining examples of the Plymouth Clock Company clocks that exist and come in for repair and for the most part repairable at a fair cost that is for the most part far less than the value of the time piece. Current value of a Plymouth Clock in good condition is $150 - $300.
The Plymouth Clock Company was actually formed in the early 1930's as a work around for the Seth Thomas Clock Company to dump low cost clocks on an already depressed market. Seth Thomas insisted all of their dealers adhere to strict selling and pricing agreements to protect their market shares. This agreement worked well for Seth Thomas, but boxed their dealers into a tight area not allowing for discounts on pricing to move more clocks. The Seth Thomas Company took advantage of these agreements by crafting a line of clocks that undersold their main line of clocks by a 30-40% price margin. The Plymouth Company used the workhorse #89 clock movement that had the front and back plates modified to use 30% less brass as well as a less expensive and harsher sounding striking bell and/or rod. The majority of the cases produced by the Plymouth Clock Company were tambour construction mantle clocks with inexpensive, low quality wood cases that had minimal ornamentation and printed appliques that were to mimic inlaid veneer work. One banjo style clock was also offered.
This less than above board marketing and manufacturing arrangement worked well for the Seth Thomas Company until the late 1930's when the Seth Thomas family sold their interest in the clock company to the General Time Company, at which time the old #89 movements were put in anything that could be sold. After the entire stock of these movement were exhausted, General Time began installing whatever movement they could obtain cheaply into these clocks. The Plymouth Clock Company ceased operations at the outbreak of World War II.
The remaining examples of the Plymouth Clock Company clocks that exist and come in for repair and for the most part repairable at a fair cost that is for the most part far less than the value of the time piece. Current value of a Plymouth Clock in good condition is $150 - $300.
Thank you very much for this great information.
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DeleteGood information, because I have a 1938 Plymouth, that belonged to my mom and dad, and I grew up with the clock ( I am now 62 years old). A 2 rod strike, mantle clock. It is not a bim-bam, but a simultaneous strike. The springs are overpowered, which wore out out the 2nd wheels on the time, and strike sides. Mostly the time side. A .016 mainspring would have been sufficient, instead of the .018 that is in it. Every Plymouth that I have ever seen has had evidence of a 2nd wheel being rebushed, or was badly worn, and in need to bushings. I plan on getting around to fixing the old clock, myself. Just that the sentimentality is so strong, I am afraid to touch it, even tho I repaired 2 clocks with the same movement. Go figure. When I do work on it, it will be perfect!
ReplyDeleteMy mother was selling her Plymouth mantel clock at her yard sale for $5.00! Yes, I brought it back to keep it in the family. This clock sat in my great grandmothers' log cabin home since the early 1940's. I would like to know of a trusted repair store in the Boise, ID area, any suggestions?
ReplyDeleteWe have clocks shipped to us from all over the world every week. Send a photo to pineknoll@zoominternet.net and I will give you an estimate for repair
DeleteWhere could I sell my Plymouth Clock ?? I live in Richmond, Virginia ????
ReplyDeleteInteresting. I have a Plymouth mantel clock that seems to date from around 1923. A local clock restorer suggested it had an older Seth Thomas movement that was common from about the 1880s through the First World War.
ReplyDeleteSend photos to pineknoll@zoominternet.net and I will let you know if that is true
DeleteI am working on one now. I agree it looks ST and has the pendulum lock The plate says #89 but the label on the door: Z 23 B. It is boxy with a round top.
ReplyDeleteI have a Plymouth clock that was given to my Mom and Dad on their wedding date, Jan 11, 1934. On the maker card that is still attached to inside of back door to the clock is a marking of Z 23 A. What does this mark mean?
ReplyDeleteI have a Plymouth clock that belonged to my grandfather. The door will not stay closed and the glass seems to be a bit small. Is there a simple way to fix or do I need a new door/glass assembly?
ReplyDeleteNew glass is a strong probability, the door needs the detent adjusted to keep it closed
DeleteI have an electric Plymouth mantle clock, movement # 3658. Can you give me any info on when the clock might have been manufactured? Thanks very much.
ReplyDeleteSend photos to pineknoll@zoominternet.net and I can helpyou with that
DeleteI have an old family Plymouth mantle clock. The letters & numbers inside are 36. 5. 891. L A
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't want to rum for more than 9-12 hours. Has 3 chimes that sound nice. Took it to a repairman do clocks but it still won't continue running. Can you give me a good guess as to why?
Sounds like the pivots were not polished and/or bushings may need cleaned up a bit. Could also be a weak spring. I would really have to see it to diagnose it.
DeleteWhat is the value of a 23z series 891 Plymouth Clocks value now
ReplyDeleteSend photos to pineknoll@zoominternet.net and I will let you know current auction/retail values
DeleteI just took in my mother's Plymouth banjo clock to do an overhaul. It's dated 9-39 and has a movement number 1120, although the "0"is struck lighter than the "112" portion, so I'm not quite sure it might be a 112 movement. It's a drum movement with 1.5mm full plates, so it may not be as cheap as the #89 movement. All but the 2nd wheels on both the time and strike trains have lantern pinions. I'll examine them closer when I take down the movement. The bushings look (amazningly) to be in good condition. Someone has marked the left and right mainstpring barrels with L and R respectively, so I assume someone has taken the plates apart before.
ReplyDeleteI have a Clock from The Plymouth Clock Tag on inside reads Z 23 B with directions any idea how old this clock may be.
ReplyDeleteSend photos to pineknoll@zoominternet.net and I can give you an approximate age
DeleteI have a Plymouth mantel 8 day clock the number 5591 is on bottom. What is it worth
ReplyDeleteI will need photos to give you a value on your clock.
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